Beretta 92 and sig p226 durability lately, i have read a lot of material that states that the slide and frame on the 92 are notorious for cracking. Beretta m9a3 sand resistant magazine 9mm 17rd unpackaged. The beretta 92f won the design and became the m9 service pistol. In addition to military, federal and police sales, beretta has sold many, many 92fs to civiliansmaybe youre one of them. This pistol is about 23 years old it is used in weekly idpa matches. Beretta 92 fs racking slide question from newbie the.
The firearm has a crack in the slide on the left side. All i care about is sight picture, trigger pull, and sight recovery, and accuracy. Overall lenght is 197 mm, barrel lenght is 103 mm, magazine capacity 15 rounds. Its pretty much the same as the walther p38 design, and i have seen cracked slides on those. As a tactical pistol, the beretta has much to recommend. During the time it was my duty, carry and competition gun.
Everything ive ever read about beretta 92 slides breaking said this mostly. Beretta 92 fs racking slide question from newbie discussion in. After shooting it for the first time, cleaning it and oiling it, i noticed a couple of things started to happen. Kits and parts m9 9296 g conversion kit the m9a3 g conversion kit allows for you to convert your standard ffs series 9296 or m9a3 to g, or decock only. Failure occurred at round number 23,310 on one weapon, 30,083. When you have pushed the gun as far forward as the slide will allow it to go, quickly release the slide with your support hand. New beretta 92fs combat slide sticking and failing to eject. Many yrs ago my p38 gave up and had a broken slide, it was a cyq 43 and god knows how many shots it digested before falling in my hands, looked good with original bluing, but the slide.
Beretta 92 for ipsc minor beretta brian enoss forums. Beretta m9 locking block failed me today the leading. You do not want this to be the result of poor maintenance and failing to spot cracks ahead of time. An incident at the counterterrorism unit seal team six, in which a slide cracked and injured the shooter, uncovered a problem with the. Catastrophic failure with a beretta 92f need some info. I have heard of some possible issues with slide cracking. Anyone who asks questions about the beretta m992 pistol long enough will inevitably hear. This pistol is the inox version with stainless steel slide and barrel, and a threedot sight treatment outlined in red, which contrasts well with the stainless sights. The 92s and 92sb appeared with the now familiar slide mounted safetydecocker also stolen from the p38 design. Beretta m9 locking block failed me today the leading glock. The model 92 was designed in 1975 and production of many variants in different calibers continues today.
Hearing of the navys problems, they checked the slides on those guns for cracks. They discovered that one of the weapons had a cracked slide. Beretta usa currently has five service centers available to consumers and dealers located in the united states. Please note the scratches on slide and and front strap. Jan 20, 2019 the beretta is reliable and a very safe gun to handle for several reasons. Like it or not the beretta design has proven to be quite robust. Over half of the slides cracked after firing more than 20,000 rounds. Beretta hunting pistol slide and firing parts for sale ebay. Shop accessories for 92 series beretta usa ecommerce. The 92s at least mine doesnt have the firing pin block, whereas the 92fs slide does. You could potentially remove the block from the fs slide, but i dont know how well thatd work. And this was before anyone at beretta had addressed the problem. The barrel had hairline crackes all around its circumference just ahead of the cha. The beretta 92 also beretta 96 and beretta 98 is a series of semiautomatic pistols designed and manufactured by beretta of italy.
How to rack your handgun slide like a boss beretta. The beretta is reliable and a very safe gun to handle for several reasons. The not working condition seems to be a slight stick at the point where the locking block starts to travel downwards and the breech end of the barrel moves away from the slide extractor. Dont know if beretta issued a recall on 92fs, but id expect them to fix one that broke. When it arrived i noticed what appears to be a crack in the 7. Its design was refined and continues in use today in iraq and afghanistan as the bayonet. Of course i cant slide it all the way back yet, because the top of the frame hasnt been machined. The 92fs is a doublesingleaction semiauto pistol that employs an openslide, shortrecoil delayed lockingblock system, which yields a faster cycle time and delivers exceptional accuracy and reliability. When he asked he company about it, they told him he ought to have been replacing recoil springs on their 9mm models every 2,000 rounds, which he said hed not been told in the armorer class. From what i understand, a lot of that information comes from reports of the u. Everything you wanted to know about the beretta 92 but was. A beretta m1951 brigadier my beretta 92fs it doesnt wear hogues anymore though the beretta 92 series first appeared in the mid1970s. Take in mind i didnt ride the slide, i simply pulled back and let it go. Feb 27, 2010 shooting and comparing two of the most common pistol models we might have or be shopping for, the beretta 92fs and the glock 19.
May 25, 2009 i am looking for some input on the possible causes of a fractured lock block lug on a beretta 92fs. Check your beretta 92fs lots of pictures dialup death. This is an auction for a used italian 92fs 9mm handgun. The old 92f does not have the improved hammer pin, and will allow a broken slide to hit you in the face. Used it until th barrel and frame eventually cracked. Brownells is your source for beretta 96 parts at brownells.
In viewing these pages you have undoubtedly surmised that im talking about the beretta 92fs, the military version of the 9mm that has become so popular over the years. Beretta m9 locking block failed me today discussion in general. Slides cracked and there was bitching back and forth between the navy and beretta. Aug 07, 2016 if you like my videos and would like to support my channel please feel free to visit my patreon page. The unique slide with the exposed barrel is a beretta trademark and gives the gun that superbly distinct look. The beretta 9296 series is a classic combat handgun and the standardissue sidearm of the united states armed forces since 1985. Is there any advantage to the ones with the all metal parts. Beretta 92 92fs 92s m9 factory oem barrel new firing part 9mm.
It can be loaded or unloaded or taken apart with the safety in the on position. It can be taken apart without touching the trigger and the slide must be locked back. Most 92fs pistols come with berettas sturdy and wellcheckered plastic grips. This was in response to reported defective slides during u. Ruger revolver because it was over torqued than have the slide break on a 9296.
I am looking for some input on the possible causes of a fractured lock block lug on a beretta 92fs. The 92g with decocker only was originally made for french police contract the g stands for gendarmerie and is identical to the 92fs in all ways, including external slide dimensions, except for the function of the decocker. Beretta updated the m9 with a safety pin to keep the slide in place when that happened, and the civilian designation changed from 92f to 92fs to reflect this change. Overcoming the beretta slide mount safety issue youtube. The gun has scratches and finish wear, weve done our best to represent it truthfully. If you put a fs slide on an s frame, the pin block wouldnt move out of the way. Beretta doesnt repair or replace these any more, nor do they warrant them for use with hand loads or ammunition which exceeds ft. Allow the slide to hand freely from your finger as pictured. Its because some military personnel primarily special ops got hit in the face when the locking block cracked and the slide flew off the frame on the following shot. Beretta 92fs c compact version of the model 92fs, with shorter frame and slide, and magazines for rounds. Dec 15, 2019 the beretta 92fs has an eyecatching design that sets it apart from nearly every other handgun out there. I kept getting double feeds every round so after that mag was spent, i sent the slide forward and reholstered. My plan for the next operation is to cut the top of the frame.
If not ill just call the switch board and see where that leads. Brownells is your source for slides,slide parts at brownells parts and accessories. The main purpose is to stop the slide from flying off the frame to the rear if it cracks. As for absolute accuracy, the beretta takes a back seat to few pistols. I owned my original beretta 92fs for a couple of years. These service centers are fully equipped to handle general maintenance and service requirements as well as warranty repairs for beretta, sako, and tikka firearms as indicated below. I recently sold an almost new, very low round count 92f recently at a local gun store. Right from their inception, beretta small frame pistols such as the 3032 tomcat inox were designed to be carried concealed. Almost anything that focuses on the beretta m9, or 92fs provokes the ire of. This video is simply my impressions of the difference between the. It cracks because, basically, the locking block takes a pounding.
Friend of mine, who was a former agency beretta armorer when he retired, told me theyd had a couple similar breakage in issued pistols. Get the best deals on beretta hunting pistol slide and firing parts when you shop the largest online selection at. Yet rumors persist that the slides crack and cause catastrophic damage. Ive never liked berettas open slide design due to the weak point in the narrowest part of the slide, where the locking block lugs engage. Buy beretta 92 slides factory replacement gun parts, accessories and gunsmithing service on most manufacturers including browning, winchester, fn america, beretta, benelli franchi, stoeger, remington, bushmaster, marlin, sig sauer, hk and many more.
So what is this about hot ammo and frames and slides cracking. This places its production right in between the cracked slide testings and the definitive introduction of the 92fs in 1989. Beretta competition thunder holster for 92 series right hand. New beretta 92fs combat slide sticking and failing to. Beretta 92 f fs 96 centurion brigadier safety plunger detents and springs new. They fired 3 m9 pistols 10,000 times and inspected the weapons with the mpi process for evidence of slide cracks. Wilson combat is pleased to announce a full product line of our newlydesigned, enhanced replacement parts, and a comprehensive suite of custom gunsmithing options for the beretta 9296 series handguns. Buy beretta 92fs 96 compact slide factory replacement gun parts, accessories and gunsmithing service on most manufacturers including browning, winchester, fn america, beretta, benelli franchi, stoeger, remington, bushmaster, marlin, sig sauer, hk and many more.
The only reason i ask is i found a potential good deal on a pre2000 inox in good condition. It has a pop up on top of the slide loaded cartridge indicator. Jul 18, 2009 optimism doesnt alter the laws of physics tpol for 10,000 years, the sharp stick was the most deadly weapon on the battlefield. The tapered, doublecolumn magazine is an aid in rapidly replenishing the ammunition supply. The beretta 92fs has an eyecatching design that sets it apart from nearly every other handgun out there. The original beretta m9 civilian 92f was found to have an issue with the slide failing due to a metallurgy problem. Beretta 92fsc compact version of the model 92fs, with shorter frame and slide, and magazines for rounds. It can be taken apart without touching the trigger and the. If you like my videos and would like to support my channel please feel free to visit my patreon page. I stripped my beretta 92fs pistol down to just the bare frame, and i used it to help make the solidmodel. Seal 6 was using sub machine gun ammunition which was extremely hot to try to make up for the lack of awesome hollowpoints being available at the time. I doubt they have manufactured the 92f slide for more than a decade now.
The slide failure is inherent to the design, now it happens to beretta and before it happened to the walther p38s wsteel slides, both share the same design. The first guns had a frame mounted safety like is seen on the taurus 92. The roadster inspired top not only reduces weight, but is supposed to make clearing jams easier. Shooting and comparing two of the most common pistol models we might have or be shopping for, the beretta 92fs and the glock 19.
The not working condition seems to be a slight stick at the point where the locking block starts to travel downwards and the breech end of the barrel moves away from the slideextractor. Mar 28, 2012 i cant see any other reason to replace a slide. This was the first major operational issue with the m9. The army then decided to fire all of the weapons until the slides failed. It looks amazing, and even today it sits apart from the current mass market of polymerframe strikerfired black guns. If you own a beretta tomcat, open the tipup barrel and inspect the frame rail above the trigger pivot hole for cracks, as shown in the photo. I know some where in 20002001 or so beretta started using plastic parts in at least their 92fs and probably in other model beretta handguns. The 92fs has an improved hammer pin that will stop the rear of the slide from leaving the pistol at a high speed. Mar 22, 2012 i used a beretta 92fs in ipsc production division for 10 years. They continued to fire all three to failure with the cracked pistol firing 23,310.
I bought a 92fs, which has threedot sights, not long after they became available. Rather than pulling the slide backwards, as with the default thumb and finger pinch, we tricked you into pushing the whole gun forward. Beretta 92fs centurion modification of the model 92fs with shortened slide and barrel. Check your beretta 92fs lots of pictures dialup death ar15. The army was doing unrelated barrel testing on current production civilian model 92sb pistols and military model m9 pistols and ran into the same slide separation issue. The slides will eventually crack at that thin area where the locking. Dec 24, 20 the old handgun im referring to is a couple of decades, not a century, old. Optimism doesnt alter the laws of physics tpol for 10,000 years, the sharp stick was the most deadly weapon on the battlefield. With regards to the slide failure, his report notes a fatigue crack.
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